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bluepencil
Humorist
On Sabbatical
- Sep 30, 2022
- #26,112
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AmateurHour
- Yesterday at 5:39 PM
- #36,051
There would be a lot of political concerns to be addressed in either case. If she's summoned by the USN and doesn't want to return to Germany then you could write about the fallout of the German people / Deutsche Marine learning that a German shipgirl does not want to return to the Fatherland and what both the public and fellow shipgirls think of her decision. If the Bundeswehr wants her back, can they even do anything about it? And if she's summoned by Germany but wants to return to America, can they legally stop her? Do her fellow Kriegsmarine ships want her around, or are they of a similar mind to the sailors and consider her a laughingstock and won't mind her leaving?
Martin Bajar
Inhuman Browncoat
Mister
- Yesterday at 5:46 PM
- #36,052
Tank man said:
She'd end up back on the German side (or rather, summoning her/her appearing would only really be possible in Germany), since they built her and she saw service with them. There's not even the dubious technicality of her being commissioned into the USN that Prinz and I think a single other submarine has to draw from.
Unless they manage to use her hull to summon her
Tank man
Battleships just are.
- Yesterday at 6:02 PM
- #36,053
Martin Bajar said:
As I see it that would just result in her appearing in Germany, and some rather confused Americans and Germans.
Martin Bajar
Inhuman Browncoat
Mister
- Yesterday at 6:25 PM
- #36,054
Tank man said:
As I see it that would just result in her appearing in Germany, and some rather confused Americans and Germans.
honestly, with Kancolle having no true canon (but a sh*tload of cannons), apart from there being shipgirls fighting evil emo shipgirls, who can sometimes be redeemed into becoming regular shipgirls. With that, you can go whichever way you want.
Heck, I've written a snip with Seydlitz (even after her wreck was raised and scrapped, she lingered on the bottom of Scapa in the snip) and Royal Oak deciding that they were bored with Scapa after all that time. So they piggy backed upon a summoning attempt in Pearl for a change of scenery
Firefinder12
I post alot on phone.
- Yesterday at 8:04 PM
- #36,055
Tank man said:
I see no mention of her being comissioned as USS Nemo, only renamed USS Nemo. Which makes me think this is a USS Robin situation, a change made only to the name so as to avoid risk of what she actually is being found in intercepted communications.
She was kept at Bermuda (where she was studdied), with some war bond tours made in New York City, Philadelphia, and Baltimore. Her final destination whilst under control of the USN was Portsmouth Naval Shipyard, where she was kept for just under a decade before being made into a museum ship (they'd mooted using her for gunnery and torpedo practice). You might be thinking of another captured submarine.
No she was commissioned, It one of those fun legal deals the US had at the time much like the Infamous Mainline Cap ships are Name for States deal. Basically Since she sailed with USN crews, under the US Flag, with a US name authorized by the Secnav WITH THE USS PREFIX, which also by law can only be OFFICAILY use on commission vessels.
Unlike Victorious USS Robin deal which was a radio callsign deal, all the paperwork on both her and Saratoga had VIcty as HMS Victorious with the USS Robin being in brackets or parenthesis following her name. Since it was a code name and all with there being some legal fun to it much like Kearsarge name.
But the paperwork dealing with U505 having USS Nemo and only that name on it.
With only the U505 getting that name. That a Unique name in the USN, with only U505 EVER being called it. No other ship got that name before or since in the USN.
While there already was a serving USS Robin*, which was minesweeper playing as a tug, who was also in the Pacific at Samoa during the same time as Victorious was working with the USN.
The Chicago museum she sitting in has a thing on it.
*There also 2 other USS Robins both also minesweepers, last one was scrap in 2014.
psychokineticsilverball
- Yesterday at 9:22 PM
- #36,056
She was captured at sea, making her a US ship under right of conquest. Also formally commissioning the 505 would be a massive mistake, as the entire point of taking her to Bermuda repainting and renaming her was to keep anyone from knowing anything about it. The amount of secrecy around the U-505 makes it unique, from the flag being held in a desk of a top naval officer, and the entire crew being held in secrecy and denied their POW rights til I think almost a year after the war ended.
But in the end the rules surrounding the U-505 can be summed up with this gif
Also I think the U-505 is the only submarine or ship for that matter to use an elevator, and one of the few ships to be in a climate controlled environment.
Edit: Unless there's other rules I would assume that since she was captured and not given she automatically became a US ship the second they flew the bigger US flag over the U-Boat's submarine flag. I would need to research how back in the 1700's and 1800's they dealt with captured ships.
Edit 2: This cool image from the Museum of US navel History page.
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AmateurHour
- Today at 1:27 AM
- #36,057
Weird coincidence but a short article about U-505's capture just popped up on my news feed. I haven't even been looking at any WWII ships or anything else that would make the algorithm suggest something about Nemo.
M1Garand8
- 45 minutes ago
- #36,058
AmateurHour said:
Weird coincidence but a short article about U-505's capture just popped up on my news feed.
It isn't a coincidence. This site has ads and they do track the places you visit and tailor your news and ads to it.
There're many times where me and friends talk about something in Telegram and soon the same things start popping up in ours ads and feed.
Also, call me a traditionalist, as Hibiki/Verniy is a precedence, I'd say U-505 starts off as German but once she gets her Kai Ni, her inner American Patriotism awakens and she becomes USS Nemo and requests a transfer to the US Navy.
Maybe if the ribbing from her sisters gets too rough, she might jump over sooner, rather than later. =x
